http://www.astronomy.com/asy/default.aspx?c=a&id=7923

because I'm a nerd.
what doesn't make sense is the space & time aspect: how was space & time formed within itself (or how is it formed from nothing)? or as others have put it, what came before the big bang? I'm reading Hawking's Brief History of Time. The illustrated version is a lot easier to read, more helpful & informative = entertaining.

"The urge toward form is the urge toward God, perfection of either / Unhinged, unutterable."
from the poem, Scar Tissue, by Pulitzer Laureate Charles Wright

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some will say what came before the big bang was the big crunch---contracting and expanding universe....the universe as we know it is "expanding" today and eventually will contract to a super dense mass only to explode again in an infinite cycle

i think what you are looking for is a causa prima---something that set everything in motion--there are differing views on this scientifically and it has consequences throughout philosophy and theology (and POLITICS!)---but i believe the notion that something was formed from "nothing" is never the case--if time is infinite then the idea of nothing can never be true---there was always 'something' ---the universe doesnt live on a line----to see the big bang as a beginning would be half right--"beginnings" and "ends" are human descriptions that are necessary in our every day lives. we happen to be lucky to exist on the expansion side---but the economy is contracting as we speak----so was there someone who created the 'economy'?

our urge toward beginnings/unity---is a type of linear thinking made convenient for our human understandings---what would it mean if there was never a beginning but only a great cosmic flux of energy or holy sexual union?

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I like the economy analogy but it doesn't help me understand the article more. Thanks.

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Talking about Big Bang take a look to these crazy event in Valencia...Two million people enjoy a riotous week of fires, explosions and parades http://www.whatsonwhen.com/sisp/index.htm?fx=event&event_id=21311

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I have fire-lust however no appetite for burning of effigies. Like the way I enjoy salt but I don't understand how people put salt on fruit.

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all of a sudden I really want to read Hawking's Brief History of Time.

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Yea the illustrated version. Much much better. The original, non-illustrated?--Zzzzzzzz
I also recommend Scar Tissue by Charles Wright. He's won the Pulitzer, Nat'l Book Critics Circle, & National Book Award(s)

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all i believe is that we all were created from one conscious. not a being just an it and "it" somehow started what happened. and we'll never understand what happened probably until we die cause then we'll know what is after life like if there really is reincarnation like every person could be someone reincarnated. or we may just die and have no conscious thought.

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